VAT Antifraud law (France)

  • Resolved Goudie

    (@goudie35)


    4 years, 7 months ago

    Hello and thank you for this absolute perfect plugin.

    I have bad news: all WooCommerce users in France who charge VAT no longer can use your plugin.

    Since 2018, anti-fraud law requires us to go through certified software for the generation of invoices containing VAT, which must ensure four conditions: unalterability, security, conservation and archiving.

    In other words, the generated invoices must be instantly stored on the blockchain. This is what the Kiwiz plugin does, which is unfortunately the only one to offer us an easy solution, but it is not configurable enough (besides being expensive).

    Your plugin is great, and clearly the best tool for generating invoices on Woocommerce (which strangely has never found it useful to generate invoices… as an e-commerce plugin!).

    I understand that this represents colossal work, for a single country. But I suggest you see things differently: you have lost all the French Woocommerce shops who charge VAT. But if you are able offer this option while keeping the flexibility of your invoice template editor, you can make big money. We are all waiting ????

    So I have little hope, and I fully understand that this is not interesting for you, but it does not cost anything to tell you about it (and I am sad to uninstall your plugin because of this law).

    Thank you for your attention ??

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  • Plugin Contributor Ewout

    (@pomegranate)

    Thank you for your message! This law has been in place for some time now and we still have quite a few french users of the plugin. Some time ago I asked one of our french users how they dealt with this and they told me it is still allowed but it depends on how you treat the invoices. After all, the Kiwiz solution you mention is not much more than a storage option that provides a fingerprint hash for the invoice either. You can still use this plugin to generate the invoice and feed it into another system.

    And even if you don’t use the invoice you can still use the packing slip ??

    That said, I am not an accountant or a lawyer, nor an expert on french law, so I can’t judge what needs to be in place if you want to use this plugin and conform to regulation.

    I will reach out to Kiwiz to see if there’s a way for our plugin to integrate into their API so that you get the best of both worlds and will update here when I have news.

    Plugin Contributor Ewout

    (@pomegranate)

    @goudie35 reading some online materials on this subject, it seems to me that most eCommerce shouldn’t be concerned about this, on this site: https://wpformation.com/woocommerce-loi-anti-fraude-tva/

    it says:

    En effet si vous n’acceptez QUE les moyens traditionnels de paiement en ligne sur votre site WooCommerce (CB, Stripe, Paypal, etc…) qui permettent à l’administration de tracer toutes les transactions alors vous n’êtes PAS concerné par cette Loi

    The site above also quotes the actual legal text about this particular point

    Toutefois, par tolérance administrative, lorsque tous les paiements re?us en contrepartie d’une vente ou d’une prestation de services sont réalisés avec l’intermédiation directe d’un établissement de crédit régi par les dispositions du titre Ier du livre V du code monétaire et financier (CoMoFi, art. L. 511-1) auprès duquel l’administration peut exercer son droit de communication, l’assujetti est dispensé de l’obligation d’utiliser un logiciel ou système de caisse certifié.

    Il en est de même, lorsque tous les paiements re?us en contrepartie d’une vente ou d’une prestation de services sont réalisés avec l’intermédiation directe d’un établissement bancaire établi au sein d’un pays de l’Union européenne soumis à l’obligation d’échange automatique d’informations en application de la directive 2011/16/UE du Conseil du 15 février 2011 relative à la coopération administrative dans le domaine fiscal.

    Exemple 1 : un gérant d’un site de e-commerce sur lequel il effectue des ventes de biens à des particuliers et qui propose exclusivement comme mode de paiement la carte bancaire ou le virement via un établissement bancaire auprès duquel l’administration peut exercer son droit de communication et obtenir des informations, est dispensé, par tolérance administrative de l’obligation de faire certifier son système informatique comme l’impose le 3° bis du I de l’article 286 du CGI.

    Now again, I am not a lawyer or accountant so my judgement can’t be seen as legal advice, but I can only conclude most people selling through WooCommerce will not need to have certified software. I’d love to hear your thoughts on this though!

    Plugin Contributor Ewout

    (@pomegranate)

    @goudie35 I’m interested to hear your thoughts on the above, so if you could spare a minute to comment I’d really appreciate the feedback!

    Thread Starter Goudie

    (@goudie35)

    Hello Ewout,

    First of all, I am VERY sorry for taking so long to reply, and I would like to thank you for your very comprehensive response.

    I am already aware of the “toleration” that exists for shops that only use direct payment methods such as Paypal or Stripe (although this not very clear). However, this forced me to refuse certain payment methods (check or cash payment) which fortunately were little used in my case (but which some customers still appreciate).

    I just upgraded to the pro version of your plugin, almost only for credit notes documents, but mostly because it’s important to support plugins that save us a lot of time and energy when we’re a tiny business. ??

    I will have more questions on a different topic.

    Thanks again !

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