Dreadful

Could you help me understand your review a bit better by letting me know a specific example of one thing that you find unintuitive?

The downloads for the Classic Editor plugin were expected to increase to start with so that people who need the old functionality can still get it during the time it takes to transition to the new editor. If you aren’t happy with the current state, using the Classic Editor is a good short-term workaround and I am interested in helping to uncover details from feedback like yours to see what can be improved with the new editor going forward.

Yes, of course –

1) Website user one had draft posts ready to post using html and tables – Gutenberg re-interpreted the two column layout into four columns – he tried to correct using the wysiswyg screen, only it wasn’t remotely possible, as what he saw was not what he got. What had been a five minute post turned into an unsuccessful marathon slog as Gutenberg tried to dictate to him what he wanted. He is not a technical user but he was perfectly able to read the help files and he was absolutely fine when I switched him back to the classic editor.

2) Instead of having everything instantly visible to quickly format, change text colour, centre, justify, header, insert image etc – there is now a not very visible menu, top left – with a lot of scrolling up and down to find the basics like the html option – clunky – the most used option wasn’t necessary in the classic editor as everything was there, in front of you… which leads me on to

3) If I want to prepare a page in html I do not want it in little blocks, I do not want to be messing about in and out of code to do what I want to do – I want to see the whole page in html – and I want to see the paragraphing, visual text and inserted images etc etc in html, even if they weren’t added in html.

This is just to start with… there is more, but these are top of my really irritated, today list…

Please do NOT deprecate the classic editor – two million of us are still using it…

1) I can see how that was painful! I wonder why the two column layout got switch to four columns. Do you know if using tables for layout was really necessary in his case and would it be possible that if he started the post using Gutenberg from the beginning if it could work better without having to use tables for layout?

2) Okay. The extra scrolling shouldn’t be needed. The toolbars should stick to the top of the screen as you scroll and if that isn’t happening, I suspect it could be a browser-related bug. Also, there is an option in the more menu (three dots) in the main editor toolbar that will let you stick the toolbar to the top of the page and this user might really benefit from that option.

3) For the case where you do not want to see the blocks, I understand that and other users have said the same and a few different modes were created specifically for this case. Would you mind trying out Fullscreen, Spotlight, and Top Toolbar modes by turning them on through the more menu (three dots) in the main editor toolbar (top right)?

I’m so sorry you’re irritated and I’m definitely not trying to exacerbate that but am genuinely interested in the feedback and also in making suggestions where I can for things that may help people when I see something I think can be helped by changing a setting. Thanks for being wiling to share details and thank you for listening to my reply!

I will try your ideas – as, whilst I am irritated, I am not unreasonable – however, your answer does highlight part of the problem re not being intuitive – very wide and scrolling menu on the left – triggers a menu on the right above which is yet another menu – not to forget the settings menu, also on the top right… remembering the main menu on the left – it doesn’t leave much space to work on a layout on an ipad – especially, using blocks.

just as well I also have a big monitor and a pc ??

To do not mention that you have Lost the possibility for inline Edition, let’s say change the color of just ONE WORD is not supported anymore. Really?
Working with Media is messy, and we Don’t want this Block thing… we just Don’t want this Block thing.

Also why in the Hell you guys Don’t let an editor to change the Author of a post anymore? It has even an issues opened in the Forum because this is non-sense… did you know that there are a kind of proffessional called GHOST-WRITTERS who will write the post for you and change the Author to a different user?

It is not user limitation… this Gutenberg is terrible… working to Build a page where elements float, that when you perhaps needs something like blocks etc… but for a post, you want the thing as simple as possible so you can post fast… we’ve been trying this Gutenberg since WP 5 forced us, however we just gave up and returned to Classic with the Classic Editor Plugin…

The Problem with WP developers who made Gutenberg is that they Don’t have multiple sites, with multiple users, with the volume to post multimedia content like everyday so they would see how Gutenberg is bad… they are just developers who have Learned new things in the school and want to use this knowledge…

for me, Gutenberg is like something that a bunch of developers have done after learn how to develop new things or because they were just tired supporting the Classic Editor instead have some innovation on their roadmap to Keep them motivated as programmers.

if you really want to develop something like this, make Gutenberg like a feature you can turn in if you want instead of force us to go and learn something we Don’t need to learn… and even worse, that make us click more, scroll down more and spend more time doing simple things…

to do not mention those things I’ve just said like no support for inline simple changes like change a color of a Single word in a paragraph which for me is like ridiculously non-sense… this is just to mention one simple, quite Basic, and core thing that even that shows how bad developed it is this GUTENBERG…

and 2 Millions have downloaded the Classic Editor, does this mean something or not?