Just adding to the conversation

  • as of writing:

    there are approx. 3300 reviews.
    about 2200 are 1star – i.e 2/3rds (!) are scathing about this thing
    (that’s ignoring the 2 star reviews which also outnumber the 4star reviews about 2:1).

    Of course, I use and like WP for many reasons, and in fact make a living of it in a way, but the militants that are in charge of it and are not willing to even contemplate they might also get things wrong once in a while need to be reigned in or, before you know it , wordpress will follow netscape et all into the graveyard of “remember these guys”.

    I have no issue with gutenberg being available, but forcing it down people throats is simply wrong given the state it is in and I’m evidently not alone with that view.
    I appreciate that a lot of work has gone into it, but that doesn’t mean it’s good enough to be forced on users as default.
    I even mostly subscribe to the WP ideology of “decisions, not options” , but maybe what’s also needed here is a “listen, learn and be prepared to admit and reverse something that’s evidently the wrong decision” (as it appears to me at the moment anyway)

    I have also read reviews in favour of gutenberg like:

    “don’t be such clowns, no one wants to build websites using a ‘Word style’ editor, either you accept this reality or go back to 2010” or similar

    My answer to that would be: “you should not be building websites in the first place if you don’t know how to write code that creates/builds websites or need any kind of ‘editor’ to do so”
    Sure, if it makes things faster/simpler, great, but if you have to rely on some sort of ‘editor’ to build a site you are in the wrong job.
    I also accept that not everybody will want to pay or indeed need some website designer to built their blog or any kind of relatively simple site. That’s cool. Just allow gutenberg to be enabled or even enable it by default but provide an obvious/inbuilt way of disabling it . The current state of affairs is simply wrong in my – obviously personal – opinion .

    Incidentally, I really do not need or use gutenberg and it does not really make a difference to me either way (as long as WP exists anyway) whatever the future holds regarding the gutenberg editor, but just felt the need to add to the reviews here

    just my 2 cents …

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  • Totally right! My thoughts here https://www.ads-software.com/support/topic/gutenberg-is-still-a-hot-mess/

    Plugin Author Matias Ventura

    (@matveb)

    Thanks for the feedback! I’m glad WordPress is working in its current state for you and hope it continues to do so for a long time. Unfortunately, it doesn’t work for many other people that don’t know how to code.

    you should not be building websites in the first place if you don’t know how to write code

    This kind of gatekeeping is opposite to the spirit of WordPress, which is to democratize access to publishing on the web.

    There are mechanisms to stay away from the block editor if you don’t want to interact with it. You can also restrict via your theme the kind of features and functionalities that are exposed to users.

    Thread Starter ollybach

    (@ollybach)

    please enlighten me as to how does gutenberg – in effect just a layout/design editor of some sort -“democratize(s)” publishing on the web.
    I would even put it to you that the best way to do that would be none of this sort of thing but simply a textbox you can write into with some linebreaks to indicate paragraphs and click “publish”.

    Additionally – referring to this post here:
    https://fluffyandflakey.blog/2017/09/04/gutenberg-posts-arent-html/
    The internet community has spent – quite literally – decades to agree on and implement standards, because it makes sense .

    Of course, these standards do and should evolve provided everybody agrees on it – kind of the point of standards I would think – but it seems to me gutenberg is for some unfathomable reason trying to invent its own thing/markup language . That’s just plain wrong, whichever way you look at it. This sort of thing does not “democratize” anything – in fact it’s quite the opposite (Feel free to correct me if I have missed something here)

    Lastly – for now anyway – and just as an observation:
    Here we are, about 6 months later, and the reviews/ratings ratios are still just as terrible as they were then, just more of them.

    Thread Starter ollybach

    (@ollybach)

    PS: all of the above aside, you are completely ignoring the main issue raised (and I’m clearly not the only one who has this issue)

    “…There are mechanisms to stay away from the block editor…”

    The problem is *not* that gutenberg exists. Nobody has an issue with that.
    The problem is that it is the enabled default editor in WP and it is simply not good enough (yet at least ) and I need to install additional plugins to disable it .
    In the state it is in, it should be available as an option to *en*able not as something I have to go out of my way to find a way to *dis*able

    again , just my 2 cents

    Everything you’ve said is totally right @ollybach! But they just don’t and won’t listen. Not really.

    The block editor is not ready for production purposes – pure and simple. And if this Gutenberg plugin is anything to go by, the future is not looking bright for WordPress.

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