kreativ theme customization

Try using Firebug to work with the CSS. It will show you the relevant selectors you need to use — they may not be already in the stylesheet, especially if you’ve moved things around.

Impossible to help any more specifically without seeing the site live.

thanks for your feedback. I’m not using firebug (yet). I need to install it with other utilities. I moved a few things around but I keep track of things. I’m not sure this theme is well designed. it was a low budget project. after I realized the theme was not quite right, I had already spent quite a few hours on it. the site is https://www.delcleaners.com

That space is the top margin in this:

#content {
    background: url("images/corner.png") no-repeat scroll 1px 1px #FFFFFF;
    border: 1px solid #F3F3F3;
    float: left;
    margin: 80px 0 30px;
    overflow: hidden;
    width: 970px;
}

Definitely use Firebug — it makes a huge difference with CSS work.

this is what was bugging me. I commented that out but didn’t see any difference. maybe needed to refresh. also when I looked at the space, visually it looked way more than 80px. that’s why I kept looking. I’ll install firebug soon. thanks for the recommendation.

When I tested it in Firebug, it removed that whole grey space. Be sure you are clearing any caches after making any changes.

yes, then I added 20 px because I didn’t like how the two areas were abutting. seriously before firebug, i need to study css more seriously. it takes me too much time to try something, save, upload, check on the site. repeat.

Firebug eliminates much of that hassle — you can make temporary changes in the code right in the browser window — and it shows instantly. Then, when you know what will work, go make the changes in the actual code. I can’t imagine doing anything without it :). The Firebug site has lots of good info on how to use it, etc.

I take your advice. been procrastinating on that. with hindsight, it costs me money and in one instance cost me a client. she wasn’t patient enough to wait for me to turn a horizontal menu into a vertical one! thanks again and have an enjoyable weekend.