AJMarks

I have no doubt some will like it. The problem is Gutenberg really feels like a beta version they rushed out. I really hope they flush out all the problems and make it what it should have been. Only hope they do it quickly before too many get frustrated and leave taking WP down as they go.

Orlando, the problem is most people do not look at the announcements. People log on, go straight to the area they wish to go in WP and never check because its not important to them. As long as they can quickly edit/create a page for their site that’s all they care about. When they suddenly have to take a couple of hours, or go looking for ‘documentation’ its not easy, its not quick, and it wastes peoples’ time.

I already mentioned that users don’t want to waste time trying to figure out how to do something they already knew how to do. The reply was a link to the documentation. Users shouldn’t have to come here, or read up on something they’ve been doing for years.

James, that is the exact attitude I was speaking of. Oh, there is a third party editor for you, and if you don’t like it, deal with it. I already knew that and yes, have it installed. That wasn’t the point of my post.

You’ve ignored the criticism. It was too much change too fast (why do people not understand this?). Saying there is a plug-in classic editor and some great ‘third-party’ documentation means you’ve missed the point. (Shouldn’t WP have this documentation, its part of their core product now?) People don’t want to spend hours looking over documentation for something they’ve been doing for years easily in the previous editions. And when people waste their time with such things they do get angry.

Personally, Gutenberg could become good, but that’s only if they listen to the users as a whole.

It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure out why the hate. They changed too much too fast. Many users log in to make a change and log out. What they don’t want to do is spend more time trying to figure out where everything went they were using in the previous version. I shouldn’t have to come to the website to figure out something simple which I had been doing for years in previous versions because of ‘change’.

Time is money, I don’t think the people who put Gutenberg into the core of WP understand that. They think its okay for force all WP users to spend a lot of time trying to figure out their poorly designed editor.
If they had introduced a bit here and there while slowly changing things, I doubt people would have been upset.

Sorry, but I see more complexity here, and as I said, reminds me more of when I was updating my site with HTML. I came to WP due to simple. The insert read more used to be a simple button on top. Put my cursor where I wanted it, hit the button and bam, it was done.

Oh, I can move it around, not a big deal. What is the big deal is how its gone from the simple method of one click to the IDK, let’s see how many steps we need to do this now, isn’t improvement.

If its not a one click button with the mouse, you’ve made it more complex.

Otto, I’m not trying to ‘insert a new block’, I’m trying to find the ‘insert read more’ tag button, or was that removed? You know, if you visit the main page and see a bit of an article and then click the ‘read more’ link to get the full page.

Don’t have time to waste, and here is the crux of the problem so many fail to see.
Users log on to quickly change, or add, to their website. In what has become a quick thing to do, they pull it up, make the change and go. The users do not wish, nor do many have the time, to waste a lot of time to figure out where Gutenberg hid things. If the user had to spend 30 minutes to find and do something which took them 5 minutes, that’s a failure.
And if things are not quicker for the average user to do in Gutenberg than classic, that’s another failure.
I’ve used it this week, honestly, it feels unfinished. That’s another problem, it doesn’t feel polished. It wasn’t ready to rolled out as part of the core of WP, but it appears WP pushed it and don’t care about what people think.
Leads to a final problem here, a lack of understanding what the customer wants and uses. When businesses do this, they usually don’t last.

No, having to type in “/mo” in a block is going backwards not forwards. Feels like I’m working in HTML again when I first started my website.

You want a few things, here.
First, no ‘insert read more’ button. Really? I have to basically type in a ‘code’. When did I slip back into my htlm days doing web pages?
Second, the blocks, to me, are annoying. I can see how some might like it but to me, annoyance more than help. But I find the block outline disrupts any flow of writing. That’s due to each time I see that I think I’ve left the writing space, not implemented well at all here.
Third, I dislike the disappearing/reappearing menu bar. Just put it at the [edited] top of the page and be done with it, is that so hard?
It could be so much better, instead it feels like we’ve got an incomplete, awkward program jammed down our throats and told we must love it.

So, basically you took an editor WP had and went backwards with it. In order to fix it I have to install a plugin?
Really, where do I complain about such backward headed editors?

Didn’t work.