annezazu

Hi @nickrt1991! Appreciate you taking time to share about your experience. I can feel your frustration just reading this review. If you’re open to it, I’d love to know more specifics. For example, what actions are now harder to do? What would make Gutenberg easier to use? What is ClassicPress providing that feels more appealing and user friendly? I totally understand if you don’t want to engage further though. If you ever do choose to, you’re welcome to share here or directly in GitHub https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues

@iniciopublicxd Thanks for your specific feedback! When you say it stops a lot in Chrome, it would be great to have more information. For example, are you using the Gutenberg plugin itself on your site? If so, have you tried disabling all other plugins and replicating the problem to ensure there’s not a plugin conflict?

As for the user experience and needing more clicks, can you share any actions where that’s the case?

@lesliedeanbrown Bummed to hear that this has been your experience. If you’re open to sharing more, I’d appreciate hearing specifics, like what’s been most painful? Have you run into any recent bugs? What would help make the experience more intuitive? All of these things will help me ensure your feedback is heard.

@resolveit Thanks for chiming in to share your thoughts. Do you have any specific feedback I can ensure is noted in GitHub? For example, here’s an issue from yours truly about the writing experience: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/34664 Anything you can share that touches on what would make the experience better for you would be great to hear about.

@sethshoultes thank you for passing along this group feedback. Do you have any specifics around what pain points repeatedly come up? I’d love to make sure they are noted in the Gutenberg GitHub repo. For example, here’s an issue from yours truly about the current writing experience that folks are welcome to share on: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/34664

@moyo55 Thanks for sharing this specific feedback. I’ve added it to this currently open issue about the same phenomenon:

https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/23968

This is done ultimately to preserve what the content will look like since the editor is meant to be a visual one that shows you live what your content will ultimately appear to look like on the front end of your site. With that said, you are able to keep one open at all times. As a result, you might find using the slash inserter (typing / followed by the block you want) easier to use if you need to keep the block settings sidebar open for some reason. Here’s a video to share what I mean:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ihoqu6a7mv5yo8r/slash%20inserter.mov?dl=0

Hope this helps and thanks again for sharing!

@ocouno Thanks for your feedback and for taking the time to share it. As a reminder, using the Gutenberg plugin is optional:

Become an Early Adopter With the Gutenberg Plugin

I imagine you’re referring to the block editor though and leaving feedback here as a way to comment on the current experience. If you’re open to it, I’d appreciate hearing about some of the more complicated tasks you’re trying to accomplish and where you get stuck/it feels too clunky? Having specifics helps with understanding what can be improved.

@stuartmorley Thank you for following up. These specific examples really help me understand what you’re describing.

The easy of dealing with the layout was superb and very fast.

This is very much something Gutenberg is working to improve in a Core first way: https://make.www.ads-software.com/core/2021/08/13/preliminary-road-to-5-9/ It’s definitely not there yet though and only stable features are being incorporated into Core to make release as easy to maintain and backwards compatible as possible.

I find gutenberg pages takes 2-3 longer than WPBakery ones.

If you’re able to test with various plugins disabled or on a test site, that would be extremely helpful. I totally understand that this is cumbersome. On my end, I tried testing this locally with a few test pages but wasn’t able to replicate performance differences.

Regardless, the feedback I’m hearing is that it still feels as though using the block editor requires too many additional plugins. If you have any current favorite features from page builders like WP Bakery, do let me know. I’ll see if there are any open requests for the same ones and ensure your feedback is shared there.

@myththrazz Thanks for your feedback – I’d love to hear more specifics about what has made the experience so rough for you. For context, the WordPress project is supported by a collection of companies and individuals, often through the Five for the Future program: https://www.ads-software.com/five-for-the-future/

With each release, lots of work is done to improve WordPress core and, currently, the classic editor plugin is still supported:

An Update on the Classic Editor Plugin

As for the Gutenberg plugin, keep in mind that the stable features developed in th plugin are released with each WordPress version so you don’t need to use it unless you want to be an early adopter:

Become an Early Adopter With the Gutenberg Plugin

Hope this wider context helps!

@marcouw if you’re open to it, I’d love to hear more about what feels so awful. What’s something you tried recently? What’s a pain point you keep running into? Anything helps ??

@maxidavis I’m using Google Translate to read your message! I hope that’s okay. Feel free to continue to reply in German and I will translate. Can you share any specifics around what doesn’t feel intuitive? For example, sharing any recent experiences you’ve had with the editor would help me better understand where to direct this feedback.

@astralliquid thanks for the additional context.

The lack of guide borders, lines, sections makes it extremely hard to know what is happening. If you click on column, group or blocks mutliplte times, the size and margin changes without any indication what is happening.

This is great feedback and relates to a few issues that have been discussed including, most recently, the idea of showing outlines when in Select mode. I’ve added your feedback there: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/25133#issuecomment-951140817

You might not feel the problem since you are all so technical and smart. But for us normal users of WordPress this is a sad time. And no one is listening.

I really hope this exchange helps show you otherwise. For context, I use the editor every day and you can see the many issues I’ve documented with the experience here: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/created_by/annezazu I very much feel similar pain points, seek out feedback from folks like you, and am keen to see solutions in place. Please know that if you ever want to give feedback more directly, you’re always welcome to here: https://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/new/choose

@ntaylorh Thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts. Can you share an example of something you’re trying to do that feels as though it’s only built for a developer? I’d love to hear some examples and to share more context/file any issues if you’re open to it.

They aren’t for most and you should have the ability to turn them off.

In case you didn’t know, you are able to turn on/off each individual blocks as you’d like under preferences:
https://www.ads-software.com/support/article/preferences-overview/#blocks

And the visual editor now is gone- you cant edit and see what it looks like on your page at the same time.

The visual editor is what you see when you’re using the built in WordPress editor! It should allow you to see exactly what you’re creating and, if you want to get a sense of the preview, you can use the preview option to do exactly that.

@stuartmorley @pherojoe thanks for your honest thoughts. In terms of the performance issues, I’d highly recommend auditing your various plugins as it’s likely there’s a conflict there causing the slow down. You can do this by deactivating all of them and enabling one by one to find the culprit. As for the reusable blocks, here’s a WordPress support doc that might help clear up the experience:

https://www.ads-software.com/support/article/reusable-blocks/#use-a-reusable-block

I wrote this doc so am very open to feedback around how to make it more useful. In particular, it’s important folks convert to blocks in order to make local changes after adding in a reusable block. Otherwise, this does impact everywhere the block is used.

If you’re open to it, I’d love to hear more about the simple things you’re able to do in WPBakery that feels easy there but very cumbersome with Gutenberg. These sort of use cases are very helpful for the designers and developers working on the project to keep in mind.

@fishsaidno Thank you for sharing about your experience. If you don’t mind me asking, have you tried deactivating various plugins to see if something might be conflicting with your site causing the experience to slow down? It sounds like a plugin conflict based on what I’ve seen with other people’s sites. I do want to mention that lots of work is done to improve the performance of the editor. If you’re interested in some details, you can check out these posts:

Core Editor Improvement: Performance Matters

Core Editor Improvement: Need for (page/post) Speed

With each Gutenberg plugin release, performance stats are also run and checked to ensure the plugin and various editors remain performant:

https://make.www.ads-software.com/core/tag/gutenberg-new/

Finally, I want to let you know that there’s an effort underway for a performance team for the project. I figured you might be excited to hear about it ??

Proposal for a Performance team