confusedfire

@otto42 can you please lock this topic?

After discussing at length with the writers on my page at length over the past few days we have reached the decision to start using a different platform to write on. I could go further into details, but I will refrain from doing so. I think everyone who has been saying the same thing since it became officially known that this is going into core with version 5.0 knows the reasoning to this. And, while I would like to thank @sandgroper for his insightful points and @otto42 for at least taking the time to engage my concerns with civil dialog I also feel that my requests (and so many others) are falling on deaf ears.

It also speaks volumes to me when someone who has been using WP for more than ten years posts their own review where at the bottom they say why they are leaving WP. Finally, and this is key, given the option between using a plugin to keep my site working the way it does now, using Gutenberg which is really buggy and takes more than twice as long to do a single task, or simply throwing in the towel and going somewhere else I will take the third option every time.

So, with that I am marking this as resolved and bidding my farewells to the WP community.

The biggest reason for the backlash is (from my perspective and this includes myself) a lot of people want this to be optional not something forced upon us/them. Like I said in my own review a few days ago. This has potential, but when a task that takes me 5 minutes now takes 30 minutes with Gutenberg I’ll stick with the current system.

Also, a lot of people don’t have coding experience, web-building experience, etc so this could be a potential issue for them. But, I digress on that point.

The biggest issue here is being forced into something that what seems like a vast majority of people don’t want. It goes against the WP dev’s and creators saying repeatedly that WP is all about the freedom of users. Also, WP isn’t really just a web-building platform. People use it for blogging and other types of writing.

Prime example: I use it for fanfiction with a group of other writers.

Also, for being around for 14+ months a lot of bugs exist (and many seem to have been around for a while) that have been causing conflicts. I get that this is a beta, but some of these issues are pretty ridiculous.

Anyway, I hope that answers your questions @wickywills

I get the differences between constructive and destructive criticism. But, it appears like even some of the constructive criticism is going ignored. I will start with my reply with a thank you for your reply and full explanation. Again, as I pointed out, Gutenberg (In my opinion) has some potential sure. But, it is overly complicated and tasks that take myself and my members 5 to 10 minutes to complete took me 30 minutes when I tested Gutenberg.

I am not against change and growth. And, sure the editor could use some tweaking here and there. But, just from the time I spent using Gutenberg I ran into several bugs that have been pointed out by many other people. Sure, it’s in beta and there’s going to be bugs. Sure, there’s going to be dissenters… But, when a plugin that is being implemented into the core programming is rated at 2.5/5 and most of the reviews are only 1 star I would seriously question it.

Also, and this is a key factor in why I do not feel like this is a good fit for WP, I run a text based fanfiction group. Gutenberg is simply not compatible with what we do. I fail to understand why a system that prides itself on user choice is forcing me to either use a system that simply does not work for my writers nor myself… Or, I have to install another plugin to continue to use WP as I do now.

Then there is another question…

What happens when this classic editor plugin stops receiving support?

I do honestly want to see WP continue to thrive, but I also believe that when a majority of the user base appears to not want something that is being forced upon them that is (in my opinion) a mistake. I get it… You’re just an admin, but let me just say from a “consumer” point of view:

This has some serious ramifications for my writers and myself. We are in serious talks when it comes to taking our business elsewhere and using a different platform.

• This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by confusedfire.
• This reply was modified 6 years, 3 months ago by confusedfire.

And… Yet they want to make this core

@jamieedwards ,

Currently, they are only offering a plugin for the classic editor. That is supposed to keep things like TinyMCE intact as well.

@karmatosed ,

Theme: Coral Black
Plugins: Capability Manager Enhanced, TablePress, ShowHide Author, WP Dashboard Notes, WP Date Remover, & WP Meta & Date Remover (Thinking about removing the Date Remover one because it’s redundant)

And, I want more than just the tutorial expanded… I want this to remain an optional plugin not just forced down my throat (Or, the writers who use my site). I also have been watching your replies to others. I get that you guys want to fix the bugs (and other issues), but why does it appear that you (and the other devs) are ignoring the bigger issue here?

I couldn’t have said it better if I tried @boatmik.