gkahr78

@peopleinside

I cannot understand how this can be the default editor of WordPress.

Because someone decided it is the way to go. Block editors like Gutenberg have been around for ages in other CMS like TYPO3. I left those block-editor CMS systems behind me years ago.

Average Joe client will never understand blocks. Average Joe will always understand simple Word or simple Dinkum editor ??

• This reply was modified 5 years, 8 months ago by gkahr78.

As long as there is demand for a non-block editor there will be plugins around. I think there is even a market for paid plugin if the “official” classic editor is not supported anymore.

The funny thing for me is that I left a CMS with the block stuff behind for a simple editor. Reason was that clients never understood block logic but will always understand Word logic.

@gkahr78 not sure what you call “condescending”, please elaborate.

You mentioned the video on the wordpress channel where it was said that we as developers have to move on and adapt. That for me was condescending because it implied that they know better and we are pretty much too dumb to understand.

But atm I find it too early to put my client’s sites all on that one card. I definitely hope there will be an official rollback with Gutenberg and furthermore Node.

I do not have high hopes of Gutenberg going away. I joined the conversation here in the forums shortly after Gutenberg was released. And criticism was bascically answered in the range of “deal with it” and “learn to adapt”. There is no discussion because they genuinely believe in Gutenberg.

You know, from a developer point of view who wants to innovate I totally get them. But I have to deal with real users that left CMS that already had this type of layout block for the simplicity of WordPress.

Now a sudden change to Node.js and React.js. And a Youtube-video on the WordPress channel stating that we, the developers, should just “learn the new tools and move on”.

I found that rather condescending. And after entirely negative client feedback regarding Gutenberg we moved on. We already started test rollouts of classicpress.

There were quite a few detractors also, that said it was not good, not accessible

That is what all my clients in the test rollout gave as feedback. In the end it is all about efficiency, meaning fast and without distractions.

If this is the navigation and editing page design look going forward without the ability to use the Classic plug in, I will look elsewhere for websites.

It is pretty much classicpress what you are looking for. We started test migrations this week and it looks promising.

Wow, I really appreciate how dismissive most of your response is to my comments and issues is on the recent update to your product.

You are right.

There seems to be a misunderstanding of what posting something under “feedback” means. We, the users, use it to show what we appreciate or not appreciate. And we expect at least an “okay”.

But the answers we get fall all under tech support. And the only viable solution in all feedback is to fix the human that uses WordPress. That works for me but that does not work for those average-joe clients that love WordPress for simplicity. I cannot tell them they basically too stupid to appreciate the newfound simplicity.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by gkahr78.
• This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by gkahr78.

And you think that is a good thing?

Thats not me to decide. It is up to customers that want an easy and streamlined process. Plugins provide a highly optimized way to do that. A slim WordPress always provided the perfect base.

I do simple things, simply.

Perfectly put. This is the essence of why I chose WordPress for me and my clients.

I feel your pain, and although I understand the rationale for upgrading the editor, this is simply not needed for my needs, or the needs of my community (academics / not techies etc).

Same here. I will begin next year by looking into classicpress for my clients. Migration of 2 clients was a desaster. They were pretty annoyed ??

I don’t want to reopen the ‘we know better than our users’ debate, but the need for an alternative to Gutenberg is not going to go away.

My customers voted on a complete file and db restore of their 4.x after 48 hours of WordPress 5.0 with Gutenberg.

The problem is not the replacement of an editor but the rework of workflows. If customers need more clicks than before then the replacement is just not good. Simple as that.

• This reply was modified 5 years, 11 months ago by gkahr78.