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Hi Jeff,

Thanks for the thanks.
We have more than 10 themes installed (“and only one activated”).
So there has plenty of doing “customize,save,reset default” procedures so far.

We are working towards replacing our present theme, after doing side by side comparisons of several themes that we will be doing customizations on each to test.
We plan to use this plugin for this work process, and are happy to give you more feedback and suggestions.

Some thoughts of where this could go, are that this plugin could become ;
a) something like a drop replacement for the theme customization’s ‘save’ button
b) work with child theme development plugins (for save, and backend editing management)

Interested?

I think you may be thinking that I was meaning that you handle the SEO coding.

What I am thinking, is that all you need to do is have a standard method of marking up the seo fields (title, description, keywords, author, copyright, etc), so these can be used by what ever SEO plugins want to be compatible with your Postie plugin.

Postie would present the information in ‘it’s’ standard way, and each/any SEO plugin can handle that markup information however it wishes.

This saves all sorts of time and effort for you in order to achieve extra functionality. But even doing this takes time, its understandable that you would not be interested in doing it.

Thanks

Hello,

Sorry to here the bad news.
Knowing what damage was done to your website, would help developers find out where problems are.
Is this end of story, or end of website too?
Can you supply any more information?

Thanks

Hello runner2016,

I notice that you have the problem editing the URL ‘after you have copied the post‘.
Just to be clear, is the URL which can not be edited, in the original post, or in the new copied post, or both?
If you have not figured out that the place to edit the ‘URL’ is where the page ‘Title’ is, then you can follow mhogas’ advice above, otherwise you already know how to do that.

As a matter of intuitiveness and usability, had you noticed the permalink when you entered the page ‘Title’?
This information disappears from view once the page title has been entered, and there is no prompting for where to edit the permalink, after that. Some experienced users may figure that the permalink is set by the title. But a number of less advanced users may not make the connection and be left thinking that there is no method of adjustment. This is possibly because the permalink is no longer a parameter that is permanently visible (and available for adjustment), as it was in the original editor (nor is there a prompt such as an icon, to suggest that ‘title’ is also ‘permalink’ – the two can be separately edited in the old editor).

If the problem is not solved by mhogas’ method, then this could be a bug, which you can report, or a problem that you could seek advice on in the support forum (which might help developers discover if it is a bug or not).

Thank you for your having taken the time test and review Gutenberg.

Hello jawhien,

Thank you for taking the time and effort to install, test and review Gutenberg.
In summary, it sounds like like your main performance factors that you assessed this plugin were;

accessibility
simplicity
clarity and
sensibleness

The developers might appreciate some more detail, if you can provide it. It sounds like you have similar comments to what has already been said by others, and don’t wish to repeat them in your case.
But if you do have some aspects of your experience, which are either not mentioned elsewhere, or mentioned rarely, then those would be most helpful to have.

Thank you.

Ola Rodolfo Oliveira

Eu traduzi seu comentário para o inglês como:

Confesso que no come?o eu achei muito estranho, mas com o tempo eu me acostumei e aproveitei sua proposta. Hoje eu uso como editor padr?o no meu WordPress! </ Blockquote>

A frase “aproveite sua proposta” ao traduzir é difícil entender bem o que você está se referindo ou enfatizando, já que você poderia estar falando sobre Gutenberg ou o método que foi usado para apresentar Gutenberg (o processo de teste beta, e / ou a inclus?o antecipada no WordPress vers?o 5.0).
Existe alguma outra maneira de dizer o que você entende por “proposta”, como proposi??o / oferta / melhoria / contribui??o / sugest?o da solu??o, e para que serve, como por exemplo “editar com Gutenberg”.

Obrigado por testar e analisar o Gutenberg.

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Hello Rodolfo Oliveira

I have translated your comment in to English as;

I confess that at first I found it very strange, but in time I got used to it and enjoy your proposal. Today I use as the default editor in my WordPress!

The phrase “enjoy your proposal” in translating is difficult to get a good grasp of what you are referring to, or emphasising, as you could either be talking about Gutenberg or the method that has been used to introduce Gutenberg (the beta testing process, and/or the anticipated inclusion in WordPress version 5.0).
Is there some other way of saying what you mean by “proposta”, such as proposition/offer/improvement/contribution/suggested_solution, and what it is for, such as for “editing with Gutenberg”.

Thank you for testing and reviewing Gutenberg.

Hello Cami Kaos,
Thank you for the thanks that you are giving to many of the contributors of feedback, which is amiable no matter how much or little they say, and gently encourages possibly a little more. In the case where you are thanking those who have given low star ratings, you may consider letting them know that they can re-do their review at any time, and also change their star ratings, as the plugin improves version by version.

Hello Ian Dunn,
rishavk1 says

its very complicated

and michaelfahey says

the interface is so unintuitive that I couldn’t find the option

and you say

Were you looking for the Code Editor mode? It’s accessible via the three-vertical-dots icon in the upper-right hand corner.

A good indicator that the user interface is not intuitive, or discoverable, is when the whereabouts of some function needs to be described.

For example, an intuitive friendly method of supplying the editor for html would be to have a button for the html editor, located in the toolbar for html blocks (similar for code blocks), as well as any other place that it happens to already be accessible.

rishavk1 – would you be able to relate some of the difficulities that you had when using Gutenberg?

Hello smartlass,

Would you be able to list the plugins that got broken ?, as this would be helpful in compiling a damage report, and the developers could include warnings in the next release, or possibly prevent Gutenberg installing on the systems with known problems with plugins.

The damage may be able to be repaired, if it relates to text that you may entered using the editor. There is a “classic” editor plugin that you can install as a way to revert from Gutenberg. This might (though I have no real idea) help work around any code (e.g. html) that Gutenberg has damaged.

Thank you for taking the time to install, test, review, and uninstall this plugin.
And I am also sorry to hear that you had such a poor experience with it.

Hello Martin,

Thanks for the thanks.
I had a go at translating your first comment, but it was a bit too complex.
If could translate the first to English (or have a try), then that may be of interest to the English readers.
Just about all the reviews (here) are written in English, but there are some of other languages, and it is good to see the diversity of people who trying this plugin out. And irrespective of the language used, tend to trend one way or the other, seldom between.

It seems that one of your considerations is the involvement of user feedback. Had you noticed the feedback link in the dashboard in the left menu?
If you did not see it their (or even look), would you have used it if it had been placed more visibly in the editor itself – such as in the top bar of the editor?

The other points you make would be easier to translate if you can put them in a bullet point list. This is because when they are joined in a sentence, then the combined contexts get mixed.

Thank you for taking your time to test Gutenberg, and for your contribution.

Hello flederviech,

The information says that Gutenberg ‘is coming’ in WordPress version 5, and there will be the ‘Classic editor’ as an option.

The developers of Gutenberg do like to hear feedback on bad experiences. So if you can describe one or two of the bad points, then that would help them know more in depth of your experience along with all the feedback they are getting from others.

Your testing of Gutenberg, will help you to make preparations for the future.

Hello nazmhud,

The five stars that you have given it – are they good stars or bad stars?

The reason I ask is that you sound like you are ‘not impressed’ with Gutenberg, but you have given it a very good star rating.

Hello Martin,
I thought I’d provide a translation in to English of your last comment above, for the English speaking readers.

That’s right, innovations do not have to be imposed, but they must be integrated and users should also incorporate their observations and together give an opinion of the new improvement, not this that is really far from writing within wordpress – it seems to be dragging blocks inside a game. And the worst is the number of failings that it has.

Your review title translates as

Each update is worse

If somebody has a better translation then please put it here.

Hello 1503wmike,

I notice your comment;

I tried to give, legitimate, feedback on Gutenberg support – as advised from WordPress backend. Any comments deemed as not acceptable – so they have been deleted.

Was that through the feedback link in the left menu sidebar in dashboard?

I realize that you are probably ‘over it’ by now with Gutenberg.
But if you have a little more time to devote to it, then ;

You might be able to refer Jose Castaneda to your (deleted) topics, so he could maybe (not sure if possible) look them up, to see what sort of feedback is being missed at earlier stages before a user leaves a review. You are probably not the only tester who is having this experience.

Thank you

Hello fpats,

Thank you very much for your succinct review, which says much more than its word count.
I can appreciate that you are a person who has clients, and therefore are in business, and in business ‘time is money’ and ‘client satisfaction effects reputation’.

1) re

Have removed from all client sites.

So when you say you ‘have removed from all client sites’, this is voting with your feet.
This is no small comment, and is an act exhibiting the confidence that you have in what is presently this plugin.
Unfortunately there has been no explanation as to what the reason or reasons are, for making this decision. So the reasons can only be imagined; an activity which does not result in action.
It would be helpful if you could list any number of the reasons, and possibly explain some.

Regrets are to be extended to your clients for any inconvenience they experienced when trialing this plugin. And this is why the value of feedback from people who have had a negative experience is so important and very valuable – it is hard earned (in time and other resources).

2) re

WordPress people, what on earth are you doing?

You have asked a question, which may or may not be rhetorical, but never the less is a question worth pondering or responding to. In asking it, it suggests that ‘what is being done’ has not been communicated well enough to you up to this point (post Gutenberg trial).
This might be a question that you will receive an answer to from somebody more closer to the project.
But in answering it to some extent, as a co-tester/user/trialler, there is some information on the description tab on the pages for this plugin at wordpress-org, and there you can find a link there for the manual for Gutenberg.

This question, by the use of the term ‘on earth’ suggests that ‘what is being done’, is not your only concern, but that you are also expressing some form of surprise/out of the ordinary/shock/dismay/improbability or something of that sort.
It would be helpful for the project to understand this aspect of your response to having experienced the plugin.

3) re

Just stop it.

This is fundamentally a statement ‘in the imperative’, and if one chose to hear it in a sensitive way, then the hearer might take it as a ‘command’.
However, this is also a ‘common turn of phrase’ which is used in such cases as an annoying child.
So to understand this comment better, it would be helpful if you could elaborate on what you mean by ‘stop’ and what you mean by ‘it’?
For example, by ‘stop’ you could mean ‘all out stop/end/halt/no restart’, or ‘pause/wait a while’, or ‘stop something in particular but continue with the rest’, and ‘it’ could mean ‘the project as a whole’, or ‘some aspect of the project’, or ‘some activity or process other than the project’.

Appreciation ;
As has been said above, your brief comments say much more than their brevity might indicate.

Appreciation must be expressed in acknowledging that in order test and report on this plugin you have had to;
a) receive an invitation to trial it, and accepted
b) install and activate it
c) tried it on your system
d) spent time getting to know it, or enough time to find out that you wanted to stop
e) deactivate and uninstall it
f) have done the same for all your clients, and possibly (though you have not specifically said so) had all your clients go through the same experience.
g) of all your clients, not one has remained with the plugin, so each has gone through to (e)
h) gone to the effort of placing a rating, and taking the time to provide a comment.
A total effort that would have taken anywhere from 1 to 20 hours, or more (depending on clients total time involvement), for which you are to be thanked.

It would be helpful if you could briefly indicate the comments of clients. This is not just so their experiences are known, but so that the team that is collecting feedback through this channel, can develop an idea of what is behind even the ‘small brief comments’ that are said, which is important since roughly 1 in 200 installations are making a review.
So this would help improve the estimates of what the other roughly 199 of 200 installations that make no comment, ‘might be thinking’.

This project is worked on by many volunteers, many unpaid, and devoting much time to the project. The development process involves complex procedures too many to speak of here in your review). Gutenberg is aimed at the convenience of the user and includes technical advancements. The project (I am guessing) is being driven to meet deadlines, and in the interests of making it most attractive to users to employ, as much comment as possible is being sought.

Since your brief comment has so much meaning, and is so valuable, and may be representative of many others, it could be quite enlightening to hear more of what you have to say.

But even if you do not wish to make further comment, then many thanks for your contribution, and much appreciation for the effort that you and your customers have gone to.

Hello jerseypeeps,

You might appreciate a read of my comment on the star rating.
One of the reasons why the start rating system is not so important as the feedback, is because of it’s visual skew, that tends to make things look better than they are.
And I forgot to mention that it also ’rounds up’, all along the scale, whether or not it is above or below the middle mark (3). If it were a positive and negative scale, then values below the middle mark would be rounded down.
For example 2.3 is presently rounder up to 2.5, which looks okay.
But 2.5 is 0.5 below, ‘don’t care’ or ‘neither good nor bad’.
But if it were a positive and negative scale, then 2.3 would be minus 0.7, which when rounded down would be 1.0 star below middle (3), which would be 2 stars up from bottom.
Or if shown from center, would be one star to the left of center.

So the developers that are aware of this, are doing all the negative raters a service, by not placing too much importance on the optimistic impression given by the star ratings, and acknowledging that the best indicator of improvement is the feedback of information that helps pinpoint problem areas.

In the mean time, a rough and ready rule of thumb for measure how ‘not good’ the rating is, is to count the empty stars from the right.